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#473 – Iran War Debate: Nuclear Weapons, Trump, Peace, Power & the Middle East

Published
June 26, 2025
Length
4:11:08
Starts at
1:00:40

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Chapters

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  1. 0:00 Introduction
  2. 0:36 Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
  3. 8:02 Iran-Israel War
  4. 16:45 Iran’s Nuclear Program
  5. 48:37 Nuclear weapons and uranium
  6. 1:00:40 Nuclear deal
  7. 1:26:14 Iran Nuclear Archive
  8. 1:48:50 Best case and worst case near-term future
  9. 2:24:15 US attack on Iran – Operation Midnight Hammer
  10. 2:47:48 Nuclear proliferation in the future
  11. 3:08:46 Libertarianism
  12. 3:21:35 Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD)
  13. 3:37:10 Trump and Peacemaking process
  14. 3:42:08 WW2
  15. 3:55:08 WW3

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Debate on Iran war between Scott Horton and Mark Dubowitz. Scott Horton is the author and director of the Libertarian Institute, editorial director of Antiwar.com, host of The Scott Horton Show, and for the past three decades, a staunch critic of U.S. foreign policy and military interventionism. Mark Dubowitz is the chief executive of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, host of the Iran Breakdown podcast, and a leading expert on Iran and its nuclear program for over 20 years. This debate was recorded on Tuesday, June 24, after the Iran-Israel ceasefire was declared. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: [https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep473-sc]( https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep473-sc">https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep473-sc See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. **Transcript:** [https://lexfridman.com/iran-war-debate-transcript]( https://lexfridman.com/iran-war-debate-transcript">https://lexfridman.com/iran-war-debate-transcript **CONTACT LEX:** **Feedback** – give feedback to Lex: [https://lexfridman.com/survey]( https://lexfridman.com/survey">https://lexfridman.com/survey **AMA** – submit questions, videos or call-in: [https://lexfridman.com/ama]( https://lexfridman.com/ama">https://lexfridman.com/ama **Hiring** – join our team: [https://lexfridman.com/hiring]( https://lexfridman.com/hiring">https://lexfridman.com/hiring **Other** – other ways to get in touch: [https://lexfridman.com/contact]( https://lexfridman.com/contact">https://lexfridman.com/contact **EPISODE LINKS:** Mark’s X: [https://x.com/mdubowitz]( https://x.com/mdubowitz">https://x.com/mdubowitz Mark’s Podcast: [https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmEsAFBNkqsMQnt5pypwEX0ul0NyIjd3E]( https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmEsAFBNkqsMQnt5pypwEX0ul0NyIjd3E">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmEsAFBNkqsMQnt5pypwEX0ul0NyIjd3E The Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD): [https://www.fdd.org/]( https://www.fdd.org/">https://www.fdd.org/ Scott’s X: [https://x.com/scotthortonshow]( https://x.com/scotthortonshow">https://x.com/scotthortonshow Scott’s YouTube: [https://youtube.com/@scotthortonshow]( https://youtube.com/@scotthortonshow">https://youtube.com/@scotthortonshow Scott’s Podcast: [https://www.scotthortonshow.com/]( https://www.scotthortonshow.com/">https://www.scotthortonshow.com/ Scott’s Website: [https://scotthorton.org/]( https://scotthorton.org/">https://scotthorton.org/ Scott’s Books: [https://amzn.to/3T9Qg7y]( https://amzn.to/3T9Qg7y">https://amzn.to/3T9Qg7y The Libertarian Institute: [https://libertarianinstitute.org/]( https://libertarianinstitute.org/">https://libertarianinstitute.org/ Antiwar.com: [https://antiwar.com/]( https://antiwar.com/">https://antiwar.com/ **SPONSORS:** To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: **Hampton:** Community for high-growth founders and CEOs. Go to [https://joinhampton.com/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/hampton-ep473-sc">https://joinhampton.com/lex **Notion:** Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to [https://notion.com/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/notion-ep473-sc">https://notion.com/lex **Shopify:** Sell stuff online. Go to [https://shopify.com/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep473-sc">https://shopify.com/lex **Oracle:** Cloud infrastructure. Go to [https://oracle.com/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/oracle-ep473-sc">https://oracle.com/lex **LMNT:** Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to [https://drinkLMNT.com/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep473-sc">https://drinkLMNT.com/lex **OUTLINE:** (00:00) – Introduction (00:36) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections (08:02) – Iran-Israel War (16:45) – Iran’s Nuclear Program (48:37) – Nuclear weapons and uranium (1:00:40) – Nuclear deal (1:26:14) – Iran Nuclear Archive (1:48:50) – Best case and worst case near-term future (2:24:15) – US attack on Iran – Operation Midnight Hammer (2:47:48) – Nuclear proliferation in the future (3:08:46) – Libertarianism (3:21:35) – Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) (3:37:10) – Trump and Peacemaking process (3:42:08) – WW2 (3:55:08) – WW3