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From Lex Fridman Podcast

#475 – Demis Hassabis: Future of AI, Simulating Reality, Physics and Video Games

Published
July 23, 2025
Length
2:34:56
Starts at
1:12:51

Audio is streamed from the publisher.

Chapters

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  1. 0:00 Introduction
  2. 0:29 Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections
  3. 8:40 Learnable patterns in nature
  4. 12:22 Computation and P vs NP
  5. 21:00 Veo 3 and understanding reality
  6. 25:24 Video games
  7. 37:26 AlphaEvolve
  8. 43:27 AI research
  9. 47:51 Simulating a biological organism
  10. 52:34 Origin of life
  11. 58:49 Path to AGI
  12. 1:09:35 Scaling laws
  13. 1:12:51 Compute
  14. 1:15:38 Future of energy
  15. 1:19:34 Human nature
  16. 1:24:28 Google and the race to AGI
  17. 1:42:27 Competition and AI talent
  18. 1:49:01 Future of programming
  19. 1:55:27 John von Neumann
  20. 2:04:41 p(doom)
  21. 2:09:24 Humanity
  22. 2:12:30 Consciousness and quantum computation
  23. 2:18:40 David Foster Wallace
  24. 2:25:54 Education and research

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