#491 – OpenClaw: The Viral AI Agent that Broke the Internet – Peter Steinberger

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Peter Steinberger is the creator of OpenClaw, an open-source AI agent framework that’s the fastest-growing project in GitHub history. Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: [https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep491-sc]( https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep491-sc">https://lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep491-sc See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. **Transcript:** [https://lexfridman.com/peter-steinberger-transcript]( https://lexfridman.com/peter-steinberger-transcript">https://lexfridman.com/peter-steinberger-transcript **CONTACT LEX:** **Feedback** – give feedback to Lex: [https://lexfridman.com/survey]( https://lexfridman.com/survey">https://lexfridman.com/survey **AMA** – submit questions, videos or call-in: [https://lexfridman.com/ama]( https://lexfridman.com/ama">https://lexfridman.com/ama **Hiring** – join our team: [https://lexfridman.com/hiring]( https://lexfridman.com/hiring">https://lexfridman.com/hiring **Other** – other ways to get in touch: [https://lexfridman.com/contact]( https://lexfridman.com/contact">https://lexfridman.com/contact **EPISODE LINKS:** Peter’s X: [https://x.com/steipete]( https://x.com/steipete">https://x.com/steipete Peter’s GitHub: [https://github.com/steipete]( https://github.com/steipete">https://github.com/steipete Peter’s Website: [https://steipete.com]( https://steipete.com">https://steipete.com Peter’s LinkedIn: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/steipete]( https://www.linkedin.com/in/steipete">https://www.linkedin.com/in/steipete OpenClaw Website: [https://openclaw.ai]( https://openclaw.ai">https://openclaw.ai OpenClaw GitHub: [https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw]( https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw">https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw OpenClaw Discord: [https://discord.gg/openclaw]( https://discord.gg/openclaw">https://discord.gg/openclaw **SPONSORS:** To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: **Perplexity:** AI-powered answer engine. Go to [https://perplexity.ai/]( https://lexfridman.com/s/perplexity-ep491-sc">https://perplexity.ai/ **Quo:** Phone system (calls, texts, contacts) for businesses. Go to [https://quo.com/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/quo-ep491-sc">https://quo.com/lex **CodeRabbit:** AI-powered code reviews. Go to [https://coderabbit.ai/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/coderabbit-ep491-sc">https://coderabbit.ai/lex **Fin:** AI agent for customer service. Go to [https://fin.ai/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/fin-ep491-sc">https://fin.ai/lex **Blitzy:** AI agent for large enterprise codebases. Go to [https://blitzy.com/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/blitzy-ep491-sc">https://blitzy.com/lex **Shopify:** Sell stuff online. Go to [https://shopify.com/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep491-sc">https://shopify.com/lex **LMNT:** Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to [https://drinkLMNT.com/lex]( https://lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep491-sc">https://drinkLMNT.com/lex **OUTLINE:** (00:00) – Introduction (03:51) – Sponsors, Comments, and Reflections (15:29) – OpenClaw origin story (18:48) – Mind-blowing moment (28:15) – Why OpenClaw went viral (32:12) – Self-modifying AI agent (36:57) – Name-change drama (54:07) – Moltbook saga (1:02:26) – OpenClaw security concerns (1:11:07) – How to code with AI agents (1:42:02) – Programming setup (1:48:45) – GPT Codex 5.3 vs Claude Opus 4.6 (1:57:52) – Best AI agent for programming (2:19:52) – Life story and career advice (2:23:49) – Money and happiness (2:27:41) – Acquisition offers from OpenAI and Meta (2:44:51) – How OpenClaw works (2:56:09) – AI slop (3:02:13) – AI agents will replace 80% of apps (3:10:50) – Will AI replace programmers? (3:22:50) – Future of OpenClaw community